Labor Day Afternoon Links and Notes -- Bengals Announce Team Captains
The Bengals announced their team Captains on Monday: Carson Palmer, Bobbie Williams, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Dexter Jackson, and Dhani Jones. Good group of veterans. I like it.

Curnutte observes the team's first regular season practice. Mostly of note is how the team looks health-wise. Antwan Odom, Dexter Jackson, Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and Rashad Jeanty returned to practice fully. Pat Sims, Andre Caldwell and Dan Howell (practice squad) worked on the sidelines with strength and conditioning coaches while "Chinedum Ndukwe (leg) went inside after stretches."

This is the irony of the Bengals team this year. Everyone suggests that our offense will be the only reason we win games; our defense is so bad, we're told to believe, that it couldn't even contain the Louisville Cardinals offense.
James Walker named his all-AC North team, on offense and defense.
OFFENSE: Big Ben got the nod over Honorable Mention, Carson Palmer. Behind Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes, is Honorable Mention, T.J. Houshmandzadeh. No reference of Chad Johnson Ocho Cinco. Bobbie Williams is the only player on the Bengals offense to get the nod over everyone at their respective position; with Andrew Whitworth getting the Honorable Mention.
DEFENSE: Johnathan Joseph was the only player named to lead his respective position; Robert Geathers was named Honorable Mention. Shayne Graham got the nod as the division's best place kicker.

Apparently Pat Kirwan forgot about Keith Rivers when talking about rookies starting during kickoff weekend.
Don Banks surprisingly ranked Ryan Fitzpatrick as the league's 28th best backup quarterback while predicting the Bengals finish third in the AFC North at 6-10.
This blog named the Cincinnati backfield, the worst in the NFL. We think it's about fantasy football rankings, but we don't care. It still pisses us off, right?
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Friday morning links and notes -- the preseason is over
We were wondering during Thursday Night's preseason game how the Bengals running back roster would look kickoff weekend. Curnutte believes the Bengals will dump Rudi Johnson and keep Chris Perry, Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey on the roster, placing James Johnson on the practice squad after his performance against the Colts.
James Johnson's ran eight times for 54 yards against the Colts with a 42-yard play midway through the fourth quarter. Without that 42-yard run, Johnson rushes seven times for 12 yards. DeDe Dorsey had a nice night rushing for 4.2 yards-per-carry (38 yards, nine attempts), including a six-yard touchdown run on the first play of the fourth quarter. Kenny Watson had the worst night among running backs (well, other than Rudi Johnson of course) with a 1.6 yards-per-carry average (10 yards, six rushes). In the game, the Bengals rushed for 171 yards on 38 attempts (4.5 average).
Ironically enough, Ryan Fitzpatrick finished the preseason out-rushing Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey.
The Bengals leading receivers this preseason were two guys not on the roster last season. Jerome Simpson caught the most passes (11) and recorded the most yards (157). Ben Utecht's 10 receptions and 108 yards receiving ranked second in each category. Glenn Holt is the only player to record more than one touchdown reception. In fact, he has two of the team's three total passing touchdowns with Utecht having the other.
Domata Peko is the only defensive lineman with more than one sack, with one-sack performances coming from Robert Geathers, Michael Myers, Jason Shirley, and Angelo Craig. Darryl Blackstock (2), Keith Rivers, Kyries Herbert, and Dexter Jackson also recorded sacks.
The preseason question of finding that number three receiver was answered, by signing Chris Henry. However suspended through the first four games, it would appear that Simpson has the edge at that spot; but Chatman could find himself there based on whether the Bengals feel confident that Simpson knows the playbook.
Kyle Larson punted a whopping 28 times (average seven-per-game) with a pedestrian 41.9 average.
Even I was pleased with the performance of Ahmad Brooks. But I don't think that the final preseason game against a team that played few, if any, of their starters is that much of a reason to keep him. I still think he's on the chopping block, and I think that if Brooks was good enough, that he wouldn't have fallen so far, so quickly, on the depth chart and been mediocre in the other preseason games. Then again, the Bengals coaching staff loves projects with players that have potential (see Eric Henderson and Stacy Andrews -- who actually worked out).
Are people actually considering Fitzpatrick the better starting quarterback in Cincinnati?
I really enjoyed Fitzpatrick's performance this preseason. He had the best quarterback play, recording a 104.2 passer rating, no picks and two scores. Along with his 218 yards passing (which is second, behind Jeff Rowe's 228), Fitzpatrick added 79 yards rushing (scrambling). However, we don't need is a scrambling quarterback. What we need is our two Pro Bowl wide receivers back without protection breakdowns that force our quarterbacks to scramble. All of which, I believe, will return by kickoff weekend.
Along with Keith Rivers, I think Corey Lynch is one of the most impressive defensive rookies. Even though Pat Sims didn't record those key numbers (which is normal for a defensive tackle), I liked his motor with his noticeable intensity. With Shirley coming on against the Colts, I think the Bengals are close to having a solid defensive tackle rotation. Given more experience with the rookies, and the noticeable improvement with Domata Peko, there's a lot to look forward to this group. Once John Thornton leaves after this season, the Bengals could either draft another defensive tackle in the 2009 NFL Draft, or develop Antwon Burton with the practice squad this season.
Secondary-wise, I think this unit is much better than last season -- or the year before that, or the year before that. Johnathan Joseph was an aggressive hitter during the preseason, coming up to the line of scrimmage when the opposing team rushed to his side. He played the island role, along with Leon Hall, as best as we could expect of them. While big-body wide receivers will generally always have their way with most NFL cornerbacks, I didn't think to myself that our young cornerbacks will be problematic.
My biggest concern wasn't the secondary against the rush, nor the play of our starting cornerbacks. It was our safeties against the pass, allowing the opposing wide receiver to stream past them. This didn't happen against the Colts as much as it did in the first preseason games. Still, Corey Lynch and Marvin White are young enough to learn from it and become better as the season wears on. Not to mention Chinedum Ndukwe missed the preseason.
I do believe, however, that our secondary is as deep as it has ever been during the Marvin Lewis era.
Like many of you, I just don't know what to expect this season. On one hand, this team is talented enough among their starters; everyone returns, the protection schemes improve and the rushing attack is actually meaningful. On the other hand, we could the regular season become an extension of the preseason becoming the worst season during the Marvin Lewis era. Either way, the critical aspect for success on this team will be the offense. An improved defense will be icing on the cake, that could find themselves in the role to win games if the offense sputters.
In the end, your guess is as good as mine.
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Taking a look at the team through three preseason games
With three preseason games in the books, I wanted to take the time to review each position (in some cases, units) as we prepare this week to play the meaningless of meaningless of preseason games, as well as upcoming roster cuts. While I'm not trying to predict the roster -- and definitely not projecting depth chart -- I didn't include every player in some scenarios, but included more than what the team is expected to take (mostly because I'm just not sure who they take, or the play is pretty even between the competition).
Quarterback - Even though Palmer has been assaulted on nearly every play (it seems), he hasn't been sharp -- likely a result of being assaulted. Twice against the Saints, Palmer nearly threw interceptions because 1) the ball was overthrown and 2) the pass was too near the middle of the field intended for a receiver sprinting down the sidelines. With the assault by the opposing pass rush, Palmer is becoming too aware of what's going on around the pocket rather than what's going on downfield. Once protection flaws are worked out, and communication issues resolved, we're confident that Palmer will be Palmer and give the Bengals their best chance to win each week.
Backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick has been one of the few successful offensive players, completing 70% of his passes, with a 6.8 pass-per-attempt average and a 101.3 passer rating (all team highs). His 44 yards rushing is third on the team behind Chris Perry and Kenny Watson. Fitzpatrick's performance proves he'll be a coveted unrestricted free agent next season as a "veteran" quarterback that so many teams need.
- Carson Palmer
- Ryan Fitzpatrick
- Jeff Rowe
Running Back - While it's exciting to see Chris Perry back to full strength, we've been missing our primary feature back, Rudi Johnson due to another hamstring injury -- this time to the other leg. However, along with their troubles protecting their quarterbacks, the offensive line has struggled rush blocking for Perry -- mostly Eric Ghiaciuc. Since the first game, Perry's yards-per-attempt has fallen from 3.8 to 3.4. Watson's 4.7 yards-per-attempt is encouraging, but a majority of his attempts have come against second team defenses, with only one attempt the entire game against the Saints.
I think the Bengals keep Dorsey over James Johnson. Though neither have done much this preseason, Dorsey is a more explosive back while James Johnson is eligible for the team's practice squad. If the Bengals haven't cut Jeremi by now, they won't.
- Rudi Johnson
- Chris Perry
- Kenny Watson
- DeDe Dorsey
- Jeremi Johnson
Wide Receiver - Talk about depressing. With Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh nursing and rehabbing injuries ("supposedly", if you believe in conspiracies), the Bengals have been searching for that evasive receiver we hoped would step up. Jerome Simpson's 144 yards receiving is far above Chatman's 63 yards among the yardage leaders at wide receiver. However, passes are being dropped and receivers are not separating from defensive backs, forcing Palmer to hold onto the ball longer. One has to appreciate this bit of irony. If Chad Johnson was traded, then this unit has absolutely no hope going into the season, even though the team signed Chris Henry to help.
I think Andre Caldwell's injury hurts him big. While he's not on the field battling for a spot, the Bengals would be more inclined to keep Holt for experience and versatility on special teams. Caldwell is another player eligible for the practice squad. This is all based on the assumption when Henry returns, not when the season starts. When Henry is reinstated after the fourth game, the Bengals will need to decide whether to keep Holt or Caldwell -- and it's doubtful, no matter what other writers suggest, that the Bengals will let Henry go.
- Chad Johnson
- T.J. Houshmandzadeh
- Antonio Chatman
- Jerome Simpson
- Glenn Holt
- Andre Caldwell
Tight End - Stable as stable comes. Ben Utecht, another glowing offensive player this preseason, leads the team with 10 receptions, second with 108 yards receiving and only one of two players with a receiving touchdown through three games. Reggie Kelly is the league's best tight end blocker, taking a lot of reps in the backfield. If the Bengals keep four tight ends (which includes long snapper Brad St. Louis), then Daniel Coats makes the team.
- Reggie Kelly
- Ben Utecht
- Daniel Coats
- Brad St. Louis
Offensive Line - We've talked about their struggles, and fantasized of a Jurassic Line. Still, the running game hasn't really taken off and the quarterbacks are struggling to focus downfield rather than the pass rush -- Bengals quarterbacks have been sacked 10 times, and knocked down three times as much. I'm not sure the Bengals will keep a second center, depending on Bobbie Williams to play that role. On the other hand, you could easily replace Nate Livings with Dan Santucci with limited fall in production. Something of note: Kyle Cook took some first-team snaps against the Saints in the third quarter.
- Levi Jones
- Andrew Whitworth
- Eric Ghiaciuc
- Bobbie Williams
- Stacy Andrews
- Willie Anderson
- Nate Livings
- Scott Kooistra
- Anthony Collins
- Dan Santucci
Defensive Line - Domata Peko has impressed me this preseason against the rush. He's working the line, challenging double teams and finding ways to stuff gaps at the point of attack. Other than that, I think this unit is just down right dreadful. Fanene and Rucker appear like average ends with limited upside, while John Thornton and Jason Shirley have made a library seem like a Metallica concert. Pat Sims, before his injury, impressed me with his aggressiveness and motor-style play. Hopefully we get him back when the season starts. While Angelo Craig has made plays, I've labeled him a practice squad player until either Rucker or Fanene (even though he signed an extension this offseason) are let go. I see no scenario in the world in which Eric Henderson makes this squad -- nor did I see any scenario that the Bengals sign Chris Henry.
- Antwan Odom (DE)
- Robert Geathers (DE)
- Johnathan Fanene (DE)
- Frostee Rucker (DE)
- John Thornton
- Domata Peko
- Jason Shirley
- Pat Sims
- Michael Myers -- I'm adding Myers here for two reasons. The team could be concerned about Shirley's upcoming court case and keeping Myers adds an insurance policy in case Pat Sims' rehabs slowly.
Linebacker - I'm actually more impressed with this unit than I thought I would be before training camp. At WILL, Keith Rivers and Brandon Johnson have combined for 28 tackles and a sack -- Rivers accounts for 17 tackles and that sack. Corey Mays has been solid at backup middle linebacker and Darryl Blackstock's two sacks leads the team. The thing I would be most concerned about is Dhani Jones' nine total tackles through three games. Ahmad Brooks had some first-team snaps at defense when Blackstock suffered a cramp against the Saints. Also expect Carl-Johan Bjork to make the team as he's exempt from the 53-man roster.
- Dhani Jones
- Keith Rivers
- Darryl Blackstock
- Rashad Jeanty
- Corey Mays
- Brandon Johnson
- Jim Maxwell
- Ahmad Brooks
- Anthony Hoke (?)
Secondary - For the most part, I think our starting cornerbacks have done a decent job working on an island. For the plays that you see them get beat, either a dump-truck named Calvin Johnson used his super-size advantage, or the quarterback found a hole in zone coverage. I don't like the play of our safeties -- Dexter Jackson is Dexter Jackson and Marvin White still struggles keeping the receiver in front preventing long plays. White is a hitter though, and his efforts to make sure-tackles have improved greatly since the first game.
David Jones scares the hell out of me, and I don't see much of an improvement with Castille. O'Neal has accepted his role, and done well, as the team's third cornerback giving the Bengals good depth at the position.
- Leon Hall (CB)
- Johnathan Joseph (CB)
- Deltha O'Neal (CB)
- David Jones (CB)
- Simeon Castille (CB)
- Dexter Jackson (S)
- Marvin White (S)
- Chinedum Ndukwe (S)
- Corey Lynch (S)
- Herana-Daze Jones (S) -- mostly for his special teams work.
Anyway, those are my impressions at this point. If you have more, or want to adjust my impressions because I always miss at least one player (or two) when I do these things, it's all yours.
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Friday morning links and notes
A list of players not at OTA Wednesday. Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Levi Jones, Willie Anderson and Rudi Johnson. Dexter Jackson, Kenny Watson and Chris Perry were in attendance but did not participate.
Right now, I'm listening to Metallica's S&M with the San Francisco Symphony. Yes, I'm old school. But I love the mixture of metal and symphony. Adds a killer dynamic. Moving on...
"You'd hope that a guy like Chad and a guy like T.J. would be here helping guys out and trying to make the team better in that way," Palmer said. "But they've got to handle their own business themselves, too." Palmer is starting to express frustration with the absence of Chad and T.J. Not that either receiver really gives a damn. But it's good to hear the team's leader using his mouth for more than John Morrell ads. I kid, I kid.
Dave just doesn't see this team improving with all the problems we've had this off-season ranging from Chad Johnson, a super-secret campaign by T.J. with no intentions to re-sign, (my words, not his) to releasing Thurman.
Dhani Jones is the team's leading candidate to become the starting Middle Linebacker. "I admire the Bengals ... and I thank them." We're not sure he appreciates the team giving him a chance, or cutting Thurman. Either way, I'm sure Jones will be a serviceable MLB much like Landon Johnson was.
Does it really help when teams get tee-shirts with "motivational" phrases or words? Like work, or Now? "He said in the first meeting that we have enough talent in the room — and he said, 'Right now' — to win the Super Bowl." Look I blog about the team so my love for the team is understood -- though I bitch about them more than not, but I'm working with my therapist on that. And I would love, just love, if the Bengals made the Super Bowl. But, yea.
In the same link above, Robert Geathers said of Antwan Odom: "He's really athletic. I didn't realize he could get off the ball as quick as he does."
Who Dey Revolution says "Let's not forget that Odell Thurman was a huge reason that we did not make the playoffs in 2006." At the same time, they conveniently left out that Thurman was just as much the reason the Bengals went to the playoffs in 2005. That year, we were a bad snap and a missed field goal away from making the playoffs for the second straight year. Blame that on special teams and horrible Chad Johnson performances down the stretch-run when he was needed the most. How can you criticize the Bengals continued selection of problem children and then, at the same time, get mad at them for releasing one after we've stuck with him for two years and gave him every chance to resurrect his career? Problem child is one thing. Thurman was just irresponsible (which I hardly call "problem child") with the worst case being a DUI. Thurman is like that kid in school that never turned in homework, failed exams and when he "earned" a C, mother would throw a shindig complete with bells, whistles and Pinatas. Again, I don't condone it (I have to say that or people go ape-shit about my point), but if you take Thurman's one run-in with the law, then he's hardly the model of problem child. Would you use the same adjective for a friend that was caught with a single DUI? I've made no secret that Thurman didn't just qualify the rule, he held exclusive rights to it. Problem child titles should go to guys with an armory in the basement, an affinity for hitting women or taking your posse and jumping someone outside a casino in Vegas (where's Porter's suspension, Chancellor?). Thurman was irresponsible and he was ultimately cut because the team didn't believe he was taking the steps necessary for the team. It had zero to do with any issues beyond the Chancellor's hard-on when he suspended both Henry and kept Thurman out of the league. This was a team thing, not a legal thing. It was irresponsibility. But generalizations is a big thing these days. If you're a naughty child, you get grouped with guys with lifetime sentences.
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Examining the Bengals secondary
Since we already determined, with mad Nostradamus skillz, which players the Bengals will likely keep on the defensive line and at linebacker. Let's use our prophesy skills for defensive backs. In 2006 and 2007, the Bengals kept five cornerbacks. Let's name those that will likely be on the 2008 roster.
- Johnathan Joseph
- Leon Hall
- Deltha O'Neal
- Blue Adams
- David Jones
Now, little is known of Simeon Castille and he could be just as likely to win a spot over Jones. I'm sure that spot on the depth chart will be mostly who contributes greater on special teams.
At safety:
- Marvin White
- Chinedum Ndukwe
- Corey Lynch
- Dexter Jackson
- Herana-Daze Jones
- Ethan Kilmer (if the team keeps six)
- John Busing (unlikely)
There's been ideas propagated that the Bengals would release O'Neal before the season (for being disgruntled negatively influencing the younger players). That would seem very unlikely with guys like David Jones and Blue Adams to fight over the spot -- would you feel comfortable with either?
On the other hand, Dexter Jackson might not be so fortunate. His biggest strength is his leadership and veteran presence. Think about it, aside from Jackson, the Bengals will likely start two sophomores in White and Ndukwe. Kilmer will be entering his third season, Jones his fourth. Both are likely special teams players. Other than Willie Anderson and Michael Myers, Jackson's 10th season makes him one of the most experienced veterans on the team. The argument could be made that the Bengals will keep Jackson and release Busing and Kilmer to make room for White, Ndukwe, Jackson, Lynch and Jones -- the last two being special teams players. There's also the possibly that Busing or Kilmer could move to corner to help solidify that spot.
Regardless, the Bengals secondary is much more in the air than the front seven.
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Tuesday morning links
Dexter Jackson is giving away 10,000 books with Half Price Books to Children's Hospital.
Bengals newest safety, Corey Lynch, is married to the granddaughter of Reverend Billy Graham organizing team bible studies. Once Jon Kitna left Cincinnati, the Bengals had to deal with issues of character. It would seem that "void" has been filled.
The Bengals signed Clyde Logan, a receiver for Idaho State -- Marvin Lewis' old playground.
Perhaps Jason Shirley sees his chance with the Bengals as a second opportunity he should take advantage of.
Tyler Whaley is pretty pumped about being a Bengal -- his favorite NFL team. He has a long way to go, however.
Bengals Brigade thought the Bengals reached for Jerome Simpson. However, Mark Curnutte writes that the Pittsburgh Steelers had Simpson targeted seven slots later.
Why didn't the Bengals trade up to get Ellis? Chick Ludwig knows: "Too expensive. The Bengals would've had to give up their No. 1 and No. 3 picks, which turned out to be linebacker Keith Rivers and defensive tackle Pat Sims (Nos. 9 and 77 overall). Two is better than one."
Pat Sims is the youngest of 10 children. He was out of football 28 months ago when his sister died suddenly of a massive heart attack.
Wide Reciever Jerome Simpson was still on a cloud three days after being drafted.
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